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		<title>By: Melinda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melinda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 08:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are right, SarahMae - only One knows.  Luckily it is not for us to judge another&#039;s heart.  :) 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right, SarahMae &#8211; only One knows.  Luckily it is not for us to judge another&#39;s heart.  :)<br />
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		<title>By: SarahMae</title>
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		<dc:creator>SarahMae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 05:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Melinda, you make some great points - thank you for sharing them. 
 
&quot;indoctrination&quot; may not have been the best word choice - I&#039;m thinking that one through... 
 
As far as Obama being a Christian, I find it very hard to believe because of some of his stances, but I certainly do not know that man&#039;s heart, there is only One who does. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Melinda, you make some great points &#8211; thank you for sharing them. </p>
<p>&quot;indoctrination&quot; may not have been the best word choice &#8211; I&#39;m thinking that one through&#8230; </p>
<p>As far as Obama being a Christian, I find it very hard to believe because of some of his stances, but I certainly do not know that man&#39;s heart, there is only One who does.</p>
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		<title>By: Melinda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melinda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 22:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, btw, when my daughter &quot;took on&quot; the other little girl - it was by pointing out Bible verses to the girl to support daughter&#039;s decision to practice abstinence.  Not a &quot;fight&quot; or anything.  :) 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, btw, when my daughter &quot;took on&quot; the other little girl &#8211; it was by pointing out Bible verses to the girl to support daughter&#39;s decision to practice abstinence.  Not a &quot;fight&quot; or anything.  :)<br />
.-= Melinda&acute;s last blog post &#8230; <a href="http://frugalgrace.blogspot.com/2009/09/tasty-tuesday.html" rel="nofollow">Tasty Tuesday</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Melinda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melinda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 22:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting that there are very few posts here since the address to the students... 
 
My children are in public school.  I home schooled my oldest for a year, due to some violence issues he faced at the new school his freshman year.  But other than that, they have been in public from K-12 (my daughter currently being a Junior).  They are believers, they are firm in their faith and convictions.  Two of them support our current President, my daughter leans more toward the right - perfectly fine with me.  They research and read and watch and make up their own minds.  How is a public school address considered &quot;indoctrination&quot;, any more than homeschooling a child is?  You are teaching specific things which go against other specific things.  My children have learned from both sides - our Christian family upbringing and the world outside of ourselves.  My children are lights in their school - my daughter is the first to invite the new kid to sit at lunch with her, or carry the handicapped child&#039;s books to class. She also &quot;took on&quot; a young girl in her class who was going on about premarital sex and called my daughter a &quot;goody two shoes&quot; because she is waiting until marriage (which she makes well known). Not many Juniors in high school will step out this way. 
 
Jesus did not live in a bubble.  Nor did God create us to live in one.  I am NOT saying that all home schooled children are completely sheltered from the world. What I&#039;m saying is that our Christian public school kids are ministers where God has planted them.  And for those who say we should home school &quot;if we don&#039;t want our kids learning things we don&#039;t agree with&quot;, perhaps you should try to see that there are godly children who do attend public schools and try to serve as ministers there every day - along with Christian teachers, principals, counselors, lunch ladies, and others. 
 
Sorry, got off on a rant.  I&#039;d love to hear everyone&#039;s opinions *post-speech*.  I personally thought it was a wonderful way for kids to feel important and part of our country in a way that most adults do not make them feel. 
 
Someone asked : &quot;Where are the progressive Christians who think that Obama is not an agent of the enemy? Who think that government helping take care of people is OK?&quot; 
 
That would be me.  :)  He is a Christian man, from all I can tell, raising a Christian family under a microscope of public scrutiny. I do not think he is an &quot;agent of the enemy&quot;.  I don&#039;t believe, as many do, that he is the Anti-Christ. I believe he is a man who worked his way up the ladder of success, broke a barrier that should have been broken decades ago, and who truly has our best interests at heart.  Can I say the same for Congress?  Nope.  And THEY are the ones making the calls, folks, do not think otherwise. 
 
If everyone in your church community agrees on every issue - congrats!  But there are a lot of Christian people who have different views on some things.  The ONLY important thing is love of Christ and spreading His Word.  Not petty bickering, name-calling, degrading, and judgment of those who don&#039;t agree with your opinion. 
 
Are we emulating Christ when we argue over politics?  Over one man, or one group of individuals we don&#039;t agree with?  I don&#039;t think so. 
 
JOHN 13:34 NKJ 
34 &quot;A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 
 
JOHN 15:12 NKJ 
12 &quot;This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you. 
 
EPHESIANS 5:2 NKJ 
2 And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us 
  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.believers.org/believe/bel194.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.believers.org/believe/bel194.htm&lt;/a&gt; 
 
Sorry for the rant, SarahMae! :) 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting that there are very few posts here since the address to the students&#8230; </p>
<p>My children are in public school.  I home schooled my oldest for a year, due to some violence issues he faced at the new school his freshman year.  But other than that, they have been in public from K-12 (my daughter currently being a Junior).  They are believers, they are firm in their faith and convictions.  Two of them support our current President, my daughter leans more toward the right &#8211; perfectly fine with me.  They research and read and watch and make up their own minds.  How is a public school address considered &quot;indoctrination&quot;, any more than homeschooling a child is?  You are teaching specific things which go against other specific things.  My children have learned from both sides &#8211; our Christian family upbringing and the world outside of ourselves.  My children are lights in their school &#8211; my daughter is the first to invite the new kid to sit at lunch with her, or carry the handicapped child&#39;s books to class. She also &quot;took on&quot; a young girl in her class who was going on about premarital sex and called my daughter a &quot;goody two shoes&quot; because she is waiting until marriage (which she makes well known). Not many Juniors in high school will step out this way. </p>
<p>Jesus did not live in a bubble.  Nor did God create us to live in one.  I am NOT saying that all home schooled children are completely sheltered from the world. What I&#39;m saying is that our Christian public school kids are ministers where God has planted them.  And for those who say we should home school &quot;if we don&#39;t want our kids learning things we don&#39;t agree with&quot;, perhaps you should try to see that there are godly children who do attend public schools and try to serve as ministers there every day &#8211; along with Christian teachers, principals, counselors, lunch ladies, and others. </p>
<p>Sorry, got off on a rant.  I&#39;d love to hear everyone&#39;s opinions *post-speech*.  I personally thought it was a wonderful way for kids to feel important and part of our country in a way that most adults do not make them feel. </p>
<p>Someone asked : &quot;Where are the progressive Christians who think that Obama is not an agent of the enemy? Who think that government helping take care of people is OK?&quot; </p>
<p>That would be me.  :)  He is a Christian man, from all I can tell, raising a Christian family under a microscope of public scrutiny. I do not think he is an &quot;agent of the enemy&quot;.  I don&#39;t believe, as many do, that he is the Anti-Christ. I believe he is a man who worked his way up the ladder of success, broke a barrier that should have been broken decades ago, and who truly has our best interests at heart.  Can I say the same for Congress?  Nope.  And THEY are the ones making the calls, folks, do not think otherwise. </p>
<p>If everyone in your church community agrees on every issue &#8211; congrats!  But there are a lot of Christian people who have different views on some things.  The ONLY important thing is love of Christ and spreading His Word.  Not petty bickering, name-calling, degrading, and judgment of those who don&#39;t agree with your opinion. </p>
<p>Are we emulating Christ when we argue over politics?  Over one man, or one group of individuals we don&#39;t agree with?  I don&#39;t think so. </p>
<p>JOHN 13:34 NKJ<br />
34 &quot;A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. </p>
<p>JOHN 15:12 NKJ<br />
12 &quot;This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you. </p>
<p>EPHESIANS 5:2 NKJ<br />
2 And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us<br />
  <a href="http://www.believers.org/believe/bel194.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.believers.org/believe/bel194.htm</a> </p>
<p>Sorry for the rant, SarahMae! :)<br />
.-= Melinda&acute;s last blog post &#8230; <a href="http://frugalgrace.blogspot.com/2009/09/tasty-tuesday.html" rel="nofollow">Tasty Tuesday</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Mia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 17:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, I&#039;m torn on the issue.  I don&#039;t believe people should have made a big fat deal over it, because that&#039;s what critics of the President&#039;s detractors would want.  I felt the address itself would be harmless enough.  It&#039;s the lesson plans I disagreed with - which were changed before the speech.  Arne Duncan even said the speech was voluntary and schools didn&#039;t have to participate (some made it mandatory, but that&#039;s another story). 
 
People are uncomfortable with Barack Obama speaking to children because of his associations (Ayers, Rev. Wright, etc.) and some of his ideas for America that include children (the &quot;youth corps&quot;, the mandatory preschool).   Reagan and Bush 41 didn&#039;t have these issues to deal with, but they did face massive opposition from the Democrats, even though they didn&#039;t use the Department of Education to write up lesson plans that used their books and asked students to make posters. 
 
Of course, they didn&#039;t have the Internet to deal with, either.  ;) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I&#39;m torn on the issue.  I don&#39;t believe people should have made a big fat deal over it, because that&#39;s what critics of the President&#39;s detractors would want.  I felt the address itself would be harmless enough.  It&#39;s the lesson plans I disagreed with &#8211; which were changed before the speech.  Arne Duncan even said the speech was voluntary and schools didn&#39;t have to participate (some made it mandatory, but that&#39;s another story). </p>
<p>People are uncomfortable with Barack Obama speaking to children because of his associations (Ayers, Rev. Wright, etc.) and some of his ideas for America that include children (the &quot;youth corps&quot;, the mandatory preschool).   Reagan and Bush 41 didn&#39;t have these issues to deal with, but they did face massive opposition from the Democrats, even though they didn&#39;t use the Department of Education to write up lesson plans that used their books and asked students to make posters. </p>
<p>Of course, they didn&#39;t have the Internet to deal with, either.  ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Valencia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Valencia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 13:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just read the speech and it was actually very encouraging to the children. My kids were actually excited that they were important to our nation!! Wish I had that kind of impact...lol 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read the speech and it was actually very encouraging to the children. My kids were actually excited that they were important to our nation!! Wish I had that kind of impact&#8230;lol<br />
.-= Valencia&acute;s last blog post &#8230; <a href="http://buildethherhousewithlove.blogspot.com/2009/09/presidental-school-speech.html" rel="nofollow">Presidental School Speech</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruby in Montreal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ruby in Montreal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 11:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t agree with you more about the issue being the whole system, and not just one speech. 
 
Well said! I&#039;m off to listen to the speech :) 
 
Cheers! 
Ruby 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#39;t agree with you more about the issue being the whole system, and not just one speech. </p>
<p>Well said! I&#39;m off to listen to the speech :) </p>
<p>Cheers!<br />
Ruby<br />
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		<title>By: Bethany</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bethany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 21:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just read the transcript tonight and it was just as I originally imagined it would be--completely harmless, non-political, and just encouraging students to stay in school, work hard, make goals, etc. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read the transcript tonight and it was just as I originally imagined it would be&#8211;completely harmless, non-political, and just encouraging students to stay in school, work hard, make goals, etc.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 16:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Stacie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stacie</dc:creator>
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		<description>I guess I have been living under a rock and didn&#039;t know anything about this until tonight when I heard about it from a friend.  I admit, at first I got all worked up, but I definately like your take on it.  Hopefully it will encourage great discussion with our kids Tuesday night!  Thanks for your insight! 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I have been living under a rock and didn&#39;t know anything about this until tonight when I heard about it from a friend.  I admit, at first I got all worked up, but I definately like your take on it.  Hopefully it will encourage great discussion with our kids Tuesday night!  Thanks for your insight!<br />
.-= Stacie&acute;s last blog post &#8230; <a href="http://sincerelystacie.blogspot.com/2009/09/gods-light.html" rel="nofollow">God&#39;s Light</a> =-.</p>
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