Obama Speech To Students – Not A Big Deal
Many parents seem to be getting seriously revved about Obama giving a 15-20 minute address to children in the public schools.
My opinion?
There is no need to get all worked up, “revolt” or take your children out of school that day.
Here are the facts:
- The president will speak directly to students Tuesday about the need to work hard and stay in school. His address will be shown live on the White House Web site and on C-SPAN at noon EDT, a time when classrooms across the country will be able to tune in.
- Schools don’t have to show it.
- President Bush made a similar address to schools in 1991.
- The White House plans to release the speech online Monday so parents can read it.
If those of you who have chosen to put your children in public schools are worried about the indoctrination of Obama then I suggest two things:
1. Let your students go to school that day but make sure to have conversations with them about Obama and his policies. Teach them to think critically.
2. Home-educate your children – it’s not just Obama “indoctrinating,” it’s the whole public school system. (Which, if you choose public school for your babes, see suggestion number 1.)
And that’s my two-cents! :)
What are your thoughts about it? Am I missing something?
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I remember a time when the President addressing our young people was considered an honor. It's sad that people feel the need to demean the office in the eyes of their children just because they disagree with some things he says/thinks/believes. Thanks for your post – I, too, feel it's much ado about nothing.
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When you know the underlying agenda the enemy has in this world and how he is using secular unbelievers to further his agenda, it is a big deal. However, I agree w/ you that if the parents don't like it, homeschool. And it certainly is the whole system, not just the president and his advisers. I saw a homeschool mom say that her son, who is 2nd grade, just may speak up on his own about what he thinks. She has taught him to think on his own two feet. ;O)
When the govt loses the trust of the people, it's almost impossible to get it back. If Mr. O were to contact me and tell me he wanted my kids watch his address and tell me how to create posters about him, I'd have a major issue too. Parents have the right to speak up loud about it. Their taxes pay for their child's education. They have a say so in this.
I don't think it's wise to have kids hear from a man who is abusing his position and not listening to the people and what they want for our nation. Why make the kids hear him out?
The parents are upset at his manipulation and lies about what he promised before the election, they take their stand in city meetings, as they can and should, and they're labeled as domestic terrorists. No they are just standing up and speaking up which they have the right to do. The Fed govt should not be telling the schools how to operate.
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Sisterlisa, I agree with you overall, I'm just talking about this particular address. Why are parents afraid of having their children see the address? It is a great opportunity to teach and talk with them about the truth. I think, in general, that if he is specifically going to push his policies, well, doesn't that already happen in the public school system anyway?
I really appreciate your thoughtful comment! :)
We have 3 in the local public school and were not planning to take them out of school. I however was planning to read and watch the address so that we could talk about it later. We speak regularly to our kids about our views so they know where we stand on things politicaly. But I just recieved a call from the school letting parents know they won't be showing it.
I think it speaks loud and clear to the fact that people are afraid. And at our house we believe that the Lord hasn't given us a spirit of fear.
So those are my thoughts and what we were planning on doing. I'm not sure now…I may watch the speech and still have the kids watch it later. It could be a great teaching tool. And also even if we don't agree with the man and the policies he holds…I still want my kids to have a healthy respect for the office of the President.
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I agree Stephanie, about not having a spirit of fear! Great point!
"If you choose to have someone whose beliefs differ from your own teach your child to think the way you want them to, don’t be disappointed when they DON’T think as you do. They WON’T. You are not their teacher of doctrines and critical things. They will think as their teacher does, whether it is a christian, and atheist or President Obama."
Well heck, I agree!
I respectfully disagree.
It's a very different political environment right now and much more polarized than it was in 1991 with President Bush. The White House might have considered being a little more sensitive to this fact and to the fact that he announced this week that he would also be giving a healthcare speech before a joint session of congress the very next day. One questions motives.
Do I think that there will be overt political messages? No. But, I also don't trust him to not send messages of "the government is here to take care of you."
However, my main issue is age appropriateness. Teaching kids to think critically about these topics is a high level of thinking, especially in terms of politics and issues that are beyond the scope of what any average 3rd grader (thinking of my daughter here) has probably had exposure to.
We talk in church about how we have such a responsibility to teach our children and raise them to love God. We talk about the precious child years and how those years form many ideas about God and about statistics that show that a great percentage leave the church by age 18… that if they do not make a decision for Christ by age 18 that the likelyhood of such a decision decreases dramatically.
What is there to not make me think that similar thoughts are not in the minds of those in the White House? Thoughts of teaching children about serving President Obama and not our country. Thoughts about idealizing a single man.
This is just a fraction of the reasons why I support anyone who keeps their child (especially grammar school age) from seeing the address. Our private school will only show portions to 12th graders who are studying government. That, is age appropriate, in my opinion. Personally, I plan to record it and will preview it just as I would any movie that I question that my children might watch. Which is what I have been encouraging parents to do.
Sarah Mae, I hope you know that I greatly respect you and what you do here on your blog. I don't mean to "go-off" on this topic. I just simply disagree.
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Donna, thank you for your thoughts! You are super respectful and I think discussion is good!
You make a good point about age-appropriateness – which is why the issue isn't this address, it is the public school system, the government run system, that is the issue. I think that if parents are really worried about their children being subtly indoctrinated, they should home-educate, that's my main point.
:)
My concern was that I wasn't going to get the opportunity to see (or read) what the President was going to say to my children prior to the speech. It now looks as if that isn't the case so I'll re-evaluate my stand after reading what he will have to say. My kids don't even go back to school until the 10th so it would need to be recorded anyway for them to see it. Thanks for a wonderful chance to talk about this in a civil way! :)
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I agree re: indoctrination. The most effective way to circumvent this is to home-educate. Public schools are a real enemy to anyone with Christian values, in my humble opinion. We chose to homeschool because of the values the public schools are teaching, so if parents are that scared, maybe they should consider home education. Just my two cents worth! :)
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To be perfectly honest, home education is not an option for many people. If I didn't work outside of my home, we would be likely living on the streets since my dh lost his job in April. We are concerned about the whole public education thing which is why we choose and make sacrifices to have our children in private school (which again, is not an option for many people).
And that doesn't even take into account that not everyone has a gifting in teaching. I don't. I have a business and administrative mind. I can organize and administer the heck out of something… but teach children… in "school subjects"… that's a foreign language to me. Trust me, you don't want me home educating my children. Not the kind of education we're talking about anyways (obviously everything in the home is a teaching moment and I take seriously the responsibility I have been given by God to be their first and foremost teacher; that's not what we're talking about here). My 3rd grader would probably not even be able to read if I were her teacher.
Just thinking out-loud here. Ignore me completely if you want.
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I think the problem is that a lot of people just feel like this man is trying to take over and control every part of their life. I know for me I just keep feeling like he is overstepping A LOT of boundaries, and it's unconstitutional. Not only that I have a major problem with his beliefs and what his actions have shown.
But with that being said, should we take our children out of school that day, I don't know. I know if my kids were in school (we homeschool too!) then I probably would take them out AND then explain why. Offering the kids and explanation is key, whether or not you let your kids watch the message or not.
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I have to disagree also, respectfully of course.
- It is because of the fuss parents are making that the White House has decided to release a transcript on Monday. The original plan did not include this which made me very very uncomfortable.
- I feel it necessary to urge homeschool parents to be a little more gracious to us parents who send our children to public school.
Some people don't have a choice where they send thier kids for school. Take my family for example: We have a heart for homeschooling but we don't have the means not to mention the qualifications. Our son is special needs and I do not have the ability to teach him the things he needs to know the way he needs to be taught it.
It breaks my heart (and hurts my feelings) when people harshly say "If you don't like the school system, then homeschool." or "If you don't want your kids influence by society then homeschool." We would if we could – we have to make the best out of the place the Lord has us.
- For those of us who have to send our children to public school…we can't sit when them to watch it and they have to go all day listening to what other people have to say about the address before we will even get the chance to discuss anything with our children.
- While I'm not comfortable with the address, it was the curriculum that I had the biggest problem with (they've changed it now)…especially the question "How can you help President Barack Obama?". It's not my sons job to help the President. This address just looks/feels too much like an opportunity to influence the political leanings of the next generation.
- Not to mention the fact that this society keeps telling us all how great Obama is. How we should support him, love him, obey him. They set him up as this great role model, when infact, he wants to bring down the institution of marriage, allow even more babies to be aborted and constantly say that we are not a Christian nation. While he has broken through the race barrier to be voted in as President (which is FANTASTIC!!!!); he's not a man I want my son listening to and possibly seeing as a role model.
This video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwG5MhVGQ6k) is pretty – um – enlightening. Be sure to watch the WHOLE thing…don't stop halfway through.
Anyway…that's my two cents. I've read this comment about 10 times now trying to make sure I'm not being disresepctful. I do not intend to be disrespectful at all – I simply want to be lovingly honest.
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Amanda, you are not being disrespectful at all! I truly value what you have to say, and I don't want to hurt you! Very valid argument you present.
Where are the progressive Christians who think that Obama is not an agent of the enemy? Who think that government helping take care of people is OK? Who think that socialism is a far, far cry from where we are right now, and who have read their history books and know that when FDR was rolling out the New Deal in the 30s, he was a MODERATE, not a leftist. The leftists back then were communists.
Jesus was not a member of any political party, so far as I can tell.
/soapbox
Thanks for letting me pop in, Sarah Mae
PS: I don't have kids, but, for what it's worth, I think if you teach your kiddos how to think critically, you can trust that they will. That means they will think critically about what you tell them *and* what other folks say. While that can make for rocky teenage years (ahem, sorry, momma), I think it provides a great foundation for the years that come after that. So if you are engaging with your kids on any level, and teaching them to ask why and how, I think you are doing them a great service.
Sarah! I am so glad you commented! :)
I think for me the issue is that it shouldn't be the government taking care of people, it should be people caring for people. I agree, Jesus was not part of a political party, and we should not focus on being left, right, republican, democrat, etc., but that we are Christians and are to follow God's Word the best that we can.
Pop in again, friend!
Hello!
I don't have a problem with an address on education. We should all respect the president – even if we disagree on much of what he says- as I do.
I do have a problem with all the information coming with the address. The "I pledge" video using famous people saying a lot of good things – but also saying they pledge to be servant "in service" to the president. Ummmm NO! That is CRAZY to me. It also ends with all the little boxes becoming his face. What happened to serving the country and ending these things with a flag? Teachers are also given the suggestion to asign an essay to K-6 with the topic being, "how can I help the president?"
The whole thing has me thinking my kids will be in private school when the time comes. I'll work 8 jobs before I let celebrities and a liberal party take over the way information is presented to my children.
Sorry, I get worked up. I do really see what you are saying though. The address itself I don't think I'll have an issue with. Motivating students to love learning is a great thing – and has litte to do with party lines. I just wish the department of education would have left it at that.
God's blessing to all who care enough to fight for whatever side they are on!
They are showing a "pledge" video asking kids to be servants to the president?
It's sad that parents will send off their sweet children to public school but for some reason have a problem with our commander and chief giving a lecture. If it was Ronald Reagon or George Washington, everyone would think it would be an honor and a privlege. I don't agree with pretty much anything President Obama is doing, but that's why I would NEVER EVER send my child to a government run school. We believe in homeschooling and providing our children with a Godly education. If you use the system for cheap education for your children then you really don't have a say about what they are being taught or what they are being exposed to. Lord have mercy on our next generation that the public school system is pumping out.
Frankly, I think it is sad that the current polarized political environment has led to overreactions on everything that comes out of the Office of the President. I often wonder if it has always been like this or has the increase in media via forums like 24 hour cable news and the internet just made the noise louder.
We homeschool our children so this is a non-issue for us. However, I would like to believe that if we didn't homeschool that we would send them to school or go to school with them in which to watch and discuss. Yes, it may not be age appropriate for all but I think that even my little ones (7 & 5) could understand the basic tenets of do well in school and be a productive member of society.
Maybe the news should be shared that President Obama isn't the first President to speak to kids in school. Presidents do this as the Chief Executive of the United States. President Reagan even spoke about his opposition to gun control and a need for a line item veto – were those age appropriate issues? For some yes and for others no, but did he speak to all anyway, yes because he was the President.
Honestly, I feel that the Office of President is denigrated for future officeholders and our children see us as adults incapable of rationally dealing with those we oppose and/or are different that we are….it speaks volumes to our children and influences how they deal with such situations in their future.
As a follower of Christ, it also disturbs me that many seem to ignore the words spoken in 1 Timothy 2. God doesn't give us a spirit of fear but He also tells us that rain will fall on the just and unjust, He will never leave nor forsake us nor does He give us more than we can handle and through Him we can do all things. With all of that behind us, it would seem to me that we should all be able to make it through this President's term as well as through the stuff that comes out of Congress and do it in a way that is honoring to God.
There hasn't been a President yet that has pleased everyone but the deepening political divides that are occurring in our country will only serve to render our government on all levels useless and an exercise in futility.
Bless you for even approaching this topic!
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Well said Kiva!
Interesting points of view! I am torn about the situation. My boys are not in school yet, so I don't have to make a decision or anything. I think one of the things that bothers me is the idea that this is an attempt to shape perception of the president. I would like to know when this plan was thought up. I know schools were given notice 2 weeks ago. Was this an idea that he was going to implement at the beginning of the school year, no matter what? Or does it have something to do with his faltering poll numbers and failing policy agendas? I know that children are so impressionable (I'm realizing now, as an adult, the connotations and circumstances that shaped my beliefs as a child) and I can imagine kids being confused when they hear mom and dad speak negatively of the president's ideas because they heard him speak and encourage them at school. I don't think it's bad for the president to use his position to encourage students in America, but I am just suspicious of the timing…the day before he makes a speech to Congress. We know he has suggested that teaching students about the 2010 census will influence their parents participation, so is this the same idea? If I were going to keep my child home that day, it would be more of a statement about the whole idea, not because I don't want them to hear the president's speech. And in 1991 when President Bush spoke, there were plenty of Democrats who strongly condemned his actions. I wonder about the precedent this will set for the future. Yes, right now it's just a speech about education…but what could it be next? Not to be fearful, paranoid or overly critical, but we have to be aware and active in our children's lives!
"If I were going to keep my child home that day, it would be more of a statement about the whole idea, not because I don’t want them to hear the president’s speech."
Interesting point…
Sarah Mae~
I, too, must respectfully disagree – both about the Obama video not being a big deal and about what many of your viewers are filppantly saying about those of us who send our children to public schools.
I have a teaching degree and taught in a public school for 4 years before starting our family. Every day I sought to be a light of Jesus in the lives of the students, parents, and others I encountered. Over the years, our family has been blessed with many Godly teachers and administrators who are serving Him in public schools.
Because of my background in teaching, I always assumed the Lord would lead us to homeschool our children. I've spent money and time investing in the research and preparation to homeschool. But God has very specifically called our family to Public School. Every year we seek Him on this, and every year He calls us to stay in public school and to fight to be a light in that darkening environment.
It has taken courage, sacrifice, and faith in God's call to our family and in His covering of our children to keep them in public schools. When homeschooling moms make comments like "If you use the system for cheap education for your children then you really don’t have a say about what they are being taught or what they are being exposed to.", these are hurtful and divisive within the body of Christ.
God has called us to public school – just as He has called others to home school. Instead of being critical of those of us whose children are in public school, maybe homeschooling families can pray for public school parents and children… for wisdom as we parents train and insulate our children at home… for protection over our children… for the Holy Spirit to hover over them and shine through them as they walk with Him among the halls and classrooms of public schools.
Respectfully yours,
Jennifer Walker
In reading news updates about this, it's interesting how many changes have been made, things explained more clearly because parents reacted. This particular speech may not be a huge deal, but the way it was handled initially and the many changes adds to the curiousness of the whole matter. And I wonder about it being a "feeler" for future speeches/school involvement – I am thankful that as Americans we can speak our minds openly…but the current administration's reactions to the whole health care town hall meetings has been odd too. I have three children, two that are school age. One of the main things that has concerned me about our new president is how much of a pop culture figure he's become. And our culture as a whole exalts celebrities and swallows what they say and do hook, line and sinker.
I am thankful that we are able to homeschool our kids. We don't homeschool because of fear (of the bad influence or agenda of public school) and if we had to send our kids to school outside the home, we won't do that in fear either. So much focus is on the negative, whereas I think the positive perspective of our choices is the better way to go. The best for homeschooling, the best for our kids going to school outside the home. We all need God's grace for whatever the situation is for our families – homeschool certainly is not some sort of educational nirvana for Christians, y'know? Regardless of school or whatever activities my kids are involved in, I want to keep the communication lines open and be the most influential person in my children's lives. And I think we should all be praying for our president and our leaders – to me that is the most important thing we can do. My two cents' worth – love to all dedicated parents out there, however your children are schooled ;-) MIKI
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I believe this is horrible timing on the administrations part. Attitudes toward Obama are not very favorable at the moment with the majority of the public for good reason. It's very easy to see why parents would be suspicious of his motives considering he has not been very truthful or democratic thus far. Add to that they were not planning to release the speech until the uproar AND that the video is asking them to pledge their support and service…well, that is a bit off from a Biblical standpoint in my opinion. He's our president and should be treated with respect whether we like him or not…but my kid's will not be asked to pledge their service to him.
We were blessed to be able to homeschool this year for the first time. Our original plan was to remove all 3 from their private school and send to public. Had that happened I would not send my kids to see the video. We are to shape their world view and stress what is important. I don't see how it is the president's place- whether Bush or Obama- to tell our kids what is important. When it is someone whom I completely distrust…well, they won't watch anything he has to say.
Our oldest is aware of our feelings toward the current administration. She is in 3rd grade yet we tell her pretty openly what is going on and to point out when it conflicts with the principles our country was founded on. She asked her Daddy the other day "Is Obama going to ruin our country." The honest answer is we don't know, he might do just that or he might not…but honey, GOD IS IN CONTROL :) A spirit of fear is not from the Lord and we will not teach fear of man to our kids!
Sorry, Sarah Mae I'm rambling! lol
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That's kind of a big leap, to say that if you don't like it, just homeschool. Why shouldn't I voice my opinions and lobby for a change in school policy if I don't like it? Why should I be the one to roll over and give in? (And that applies to any issue, not just the President's address.) I'm a big supporter of public school education, and I feel I have as much a right to give input as any other parent. And I hope that other like-minded parents will stand alongside me, instead of assuming they have to homeschool.
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"If you use the system for cheap education for your children then you really don’t have a say about what they are being taught or what they are being exposed to"
This statement breaks my heart. Truly. While I imagine it was not intended to be offensive and hurtful, the insinuations in the idea that those whose children are in public school "use the system for cheap education" is vile to me. I find it extraordinarily judgmental. My daughter is in public school not so we can give her a cheap education but because after thoughtful prayer and seeking the face of the Lord, we believe HE has led us to that choice.
Sarah Mae, I am sorry if my response is inappropriate. I have been sitting here typing and deleting for about the last 20 minutes. My heart hurts … that's all.
Sweet Teri Lynne, your response is not at all inappropriate, rather heart-felt and sincere. The fact that you cared enough to go back and consider before hitting publish says a lot about you. :)
Goodness, a lot of emotion here, and I certainly never intended to turn it into a public school vs. home school debate. I have many girlfriends who choose public schools, and though we are not on the same page, I try to be sensitive to them. I don't claim to have some enormous teaching talent (that was not what I studied), and paring down to one income was a sacrifice (we had to sell our house). But I do believe if God has planted a heart for homeschooling, then He will make a way for it to happen. Maybe in His own good time, though. :) Again, I hope all the "public school moms" will accept my apology on behalf of all homeschool moms if they are feeling judged. We are ALL mothers who love our children and want the best for them. We should encourage each other, not berate each other for our choices. I home school not out of fear but obedience to what God has called me to do. But that might look different from what He has directed your family to do. Again, I just thought I'd chime in, but now I'm wishing I hadn't. The last thing I wanted to do was offend moms with kids in the public school system.
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I don't usually comment, but I feel strongly today that I should. On the homeschooling issue, I hate that this is such a polarizing issue. As much as homeschooling families feel the Lord's calling to that, we feel called to place our children in public school. If all Christians home-educated their children, there would be no Christian influence in the public school system. And what a huge mission field that would be ignored!
On the President Obama issue, we need to not forget that God allowed him to be elected, and while certainly we are not called to agree with everything he does, we are called to pray for him diligently. I do not agree with him on a lot of issues, but I do respect the office he was elected into. And I want my children to grow up with that respect too. My daughter will hear his speech, I will hear it as well, and we will discuss it as a family.
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I have so many scattered thoughts about this today, but I don't want to forget to come back and comment :)
First, I mostly agree with you. And Sarah Jessica said a lot of what I'm thinking. I think it's sad that the office of President is no longer the respected place that it used to be. It's a sign of the times, for better or worse. But, I think it's an amazing thing how the changes have been made so quickly from the sounds of it. If my kids were school age, I'd have them go, listen respectfully, and then use it as a discussion tool at home. As parents we're part of the education, and the learning and discussion doesn't stop when they walk out of the classroom.
I also wonder what you all think about the Pledge of Allegiance… I haven't been in a school room in quite a while, but I think that's still part of it.
Like I said, these are scattered thoughts, hope some of them make sense ;) It's been interesting reading the discussion on here! I'm in awe at how civil it's all been!
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Corinne – I am personally not a fan of the pledge of Allegiance, but that's for another post! :)
Wow! Interesting points from all of the previous commenters. Here is my two cents for what it is worth: My boys attend public school- every year (just like another previous commenter wrote) we pray about this decision. There have been years that I homeschooled, years that one of our boys went to private school but the majority of their schooling (my boys are now in 11th, 8th and 7th grade) has been in the public school system. We have taught our kids to consider their school their mission field.
We have also taught them that no matter if we agree/disagree with the political positions of a President (and I, for one, disagreed with President Bush on going to war) does not give us an excuse biblically to be disrespectful to the office of the President. We pray for President Obama every night in our home, just as we have done for every President since they were little.
It would be disrespectful to keep my child home. What kind of message does that send to them about patriotism and respect for the authority of their leaders?
Yes, we will sit down before and after the speech and discuss it, as we do any other issue that comes up in our family. But I agree with you Sarah Mae, that this issue has been blown completely out of proportion.
I respect that the very busy President is invested in future generations and is using the technology at his disposal to communicate with our children about their future.
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I don't have children. But I am a member of the Real World. In the Real World we will always encounter those who are of different cultureS, political stripeS, religious beliefS, etc., then ourself. As Christian parents, I'm assuming you want kids to not only know their own beliefs, but to be able to stand firm in them and defend them when encountering those of a different view. Sheltering your kids from different beliefs isn't what helps them learn this life skill. It just teaches them to fear that which is different. Children need to learn to analyze, think critically, and argue their position effectively. To learn how to do that, they need to know what their opposition has to say! Refusing to let a child witness a speech by someone you disagree with with only teaches them to avert their eyes in fear. We need children to learn how to look around in awareness so as adults, they will have the skills to make educated, informed opinions rather than making decisions based on fear and rumor. To do so they need to be exposed to both sides of the coin – including a President their parents may not care for.
We were compelled/called/led to send our children to private school for the past three years. God provided a way for the outrageous tuition to be paid.
In the spring we were called/led/compelled to homeschool. No longer could we pay the tuition.
Next year who is to say we may be led to send our children to public school? Only the Lord knows our path…
I realize this is off topic, Sarah Mae. It's just always been so sad to me to see the position of 'what I do with my child is better than your choice' i.e. homeschool/public school, SAHM/Working mother, etc. Honestly, the decision each of us make for *our* family doesn't make it a better choice than another.
Many good, loving, Christan parents *have* to send their children to public school. Many feel called to do so! Our pastor and his wife homeschooled for several years and felt led to send their high school age children to public school. They have been such a witness and blessing to other children…which is what we should strive for!
I just don't want to be seen as a mother who feels she's taking the high road because she homeschools :)
Blessings!
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As long as it is not about politics and just about keeping good grades I'm fine with it. I really appreciate the fact that we can read the speech beforehand to screen what they will hear. And you have a choice to have your child view it or not. My child bought home permission slips, so that we can decide if they can view it or not. But as you stated the public school system as a whole is questionable at best. The media shows teachers getting arrested for giving students drugs, coming to school intoxicated, being responsible for underage pregnancy, woman taking advantage of young male students, physically abusing students, etc.. The list goes on and it is horrifying. I do know of some really great teachers, some are close friends. I only wish I could home school. Once I help my family this year get a handle on the finances, I will give it a try next year. As you stated, it is the only way to ensure they are not exposed to the world's view of things.
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I cannot sit reading and not respond. I thought this was about the Presidents address. Then it took a rather unkind turn.
I have had the privilage of leading 3 of my children to the Lord. All three of them were/are in public school…shining brightly for the Lord. Parents who choose public school for their kids do not abdicate their responsibility as primary educator to their children. They prayerfully concider their options. Then after making their choice, roll up their sleeves and dig in trying to improve the system all the while guiding their children through it. You would be better served to pray for us rather than judge us.
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Stephanie – I don't like the way things have turned either – what is up with the divide between homeschool parents and public school parents? I agree, we should be loving and praying for one another. Even if we disagree about whatever, our commonality is Jesus Christ.
My point with my "if you don't like it, home educate" was just…well…if you don't like what's happening in the public schools for *fear* of indoctrination, and things aren't/don't change, then the best option might be home education.
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I think it is time that we look at what is going around us with open eyes. What BO is doing is pressing on these young blessed innocent minds his beliefs and desires that do not line up with the word of God. By doing this is puts in place a steping stone for the future with our children (this could end up being very much like Germany just a few generations ago).
And if our nation continues to stand by and not make a fuss over things that are flat out wrong, we will very soon loose the write of freedom in our daily lives. Including worship of our Savior. Just a thought. I strongly believe that it is time to fast and pray and seek the Lord our God. I believe it is time for our nation to repent. If we do not God will have no choice but to judge us.
Simple Beauty – I guess we'll have to wait and see what the President has to say before we get all worked up…but you are correct, our nation does need to make a fuss over things that are flat out wrong.
Ack! Sarah Mae – this stuff is hard for Miss Non-Confrontational Me – I so admire your boldness!! :)
I think that SisterLisa and Donna @ Way More Homemade expressed a lot of how I feel. Currently, my son attends a private Christian school and will not be watching the President's address. If he were in public school, we would keep him out of school that day. If we were to let him watch the address, it would be with us in our home so that we could pause and discuss/teach the whole way through. We do want him to think critically and he already does quite well so it's not that I would be afraid of what the video would do to him!
I do believe that parents whose children are in public school (we are paying the taxes!) absolutely have the right to know what is being said/taught to their children and the right to keep their children home when necessary. In my state, there are other things happening in the schools that are probably of greater concern than this address – sex ed taught to young children, "learning" about Islam by participating in activities, field trip to see gay marriage, unisex bathrooms, and more. Keep informed, speak up, opt out of anything you disagree with, and PRAY!!
Ok – now if you would all smile, give hugs and pass the chocolate around – it would greatly relieve my anxiety – LOL!!
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Lisa, you are so right when it comes to other things happening that are of greater concern – I agree! I also think your position make sense and I get it.
Now, I hope you brought enough chocolate for everyone! :)
I have a question I hope someone can help me answer. I received a note from my child's school today that said,
"This Tuesday Sept 8, 2009 at 12 PM the President of the United States will speak to the children of our nation. This is the first time any (typed in bold and underlined) US President has take the time to do this. We want you to know about this historic event."
Um,,,I thought there have been other Presidents to address our children. Haven't several? Do you know where I could find this information? If others have done this before, I would like to bring it to the schools attention that NO! Pres. Obama IS NOT the first President to do this.
Thank you.
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Ouch! Public schools aren't all that bad. I went to public schools, as God told my mom that was the way it had to be. I am still a strong Christian. My kids are going to public school. Sure, part of it is a financial decision, but that doesn't mean we don't care for our kids! How much worse would it be if all Christians pulled their kids out of public schools? What a horrendous thought. My kids – and my family – have a chance to make a difference for Christ. This is right for our family. I applaud and deeply respect those of you who homeschool. Please check your heart and extend that respect to the rest of us.
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TeriLynneU, I agree with you about that statement. Although I homeschool,I used to have our children in private school and I grew up in public school. So I have seen all three formulas for education. I believe in assisting parents with homeschooling, even when they think they aren't qualified or financially able to. There are so many options now to make it work even on one family income or both parents working.
Yet I do not think all parents choose public school as a way for 'cheap' education. As a matter of fact, homeschooling can be done for practically free.
I understand different parents have different reasons for choosing their child's education. I think the majority of homeschoolers are 100 % supportive of another parent deciding to homeschool and would do all they can to help them if/when they decide to do so.
I also don't think everyone would be thrilled with some former presidents doing this, no matter who they were. Not all people like what kind of leaders we had in the past. There are some quotes that are worthy of repeating, even if the person himself isn't someone we like on a personal level. I think George Washington did a lot of good for our nation's beginning years, but I don't think I'd want him to talk to my kids without my permission either.
I don't agree w/ Pres. O speaking to such small impressionable children. We see too many times where the govt steps into the position the parents have and that is usurping their authority. If the parents want their children to see this address, then have it at night when the whole family can be present and let the parents lead the conversation.
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SarahMae, although there are intense feelings involved in all our thoughts about this, you are hostessing this conversation very well.
oh yes and back to the statement "really don’t have a say about what they are being taught or what they are being exposed to.."
No matter where we place our children for the day, whether it's at a public school or Sunday School class, we, as parents, have EVERY right to say something and restrict something from being said to our children. What if you hired a babysitter and she decided to have a little talk with your children about something political or religious that are contrary to what you believe? Does the fact that you hired her mean you have no say so in what she tells them?
And about the topic of teaching children under the age of 12 how to think critically; in my experiences in life working with children, most of them do not have the wherewithal to combat mind manipulation. And regardless of what some may think, Obama does indeed use it. If you have ever been a victim of it, or a counselor helping others out from under it, you will recognize it too. I think this is one of the key elements of why parents are so upset.
About my comments about the enemy. I am not saying Obama is our enemy, but the enemy uses man to further his agenda. The agenda of communism is on the rise and history does indeed repeat itself. I personally believe that this world has it's physical battles and it's spiritual battles. I believe the physical battles have spiritual battles connected to them. I believe this battle in our government does have a spiritual battle closely connected to it. Look into the story of Joseph and the Hebrews being brought into slavery, socialism turn communism. Slavery to their system, waited 400 years for deliverance. :/ Even for those who don't believe in the Bible, history teaches that this concept keeps repeating itself too. The definition of insanity? Doing the same thing expecting a different result.
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This man hasn't said or done anything that has gained my trust. This isn't a homeschool or public school issue, the issue is what is his agenda and can he truly have our children's best interest in mind?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdPSqL9_mfM&fe…
I failed earlier to post on the actual topic … forgive me! My daughter will be allowed to watch the President's address. I believe that President Obama was not elected outside the sight of God. As I read the Old Testament and the accounts of the MANY kings of Israel & Judah who were certainly NOT pillars of godliness and who did not lead GOD'S CHOSEN PEOPLE to follow Him, I realize that the issues we face are not new. There have always been unscrupulous, irreverent and even blasphemous people in leadership. There have always been those who sought to move as far away from the guidelines and love of God as possible. And God has never, not for one moment, lost any part of His control over all of it. I say that not to diminish the present circumstances nor to abdicate my responsibility to stand firm in my faith … but to remind myself and all of us that President Obama is not our enemy … but the father of lies is certainly keeping us from our true battle when he can distract us with speeches and schooling options.
This battle will be waged … regardless of our president or politics … until Christ's return! My goal for me and for my daughter is that we keep our armor on and stay focused on the task at hand!
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Sarah Mae…It's been my experience that there's really no great way to "defend" one's choice to home school or send to public school. Because no matter what I say or how respectfully I try to say it, it FEELS like I'm telling the other family that they are making the wrong decision. If I say I'm going to homeschool it FEELS like I'm saying public school is wrong. If I say I'm going to send my kids to public school it FEELS like I'm saying homeschooling is wrong. I'm not sure there's any way around it. But I'm also glad there are options for families with different needs…in other countries their aren't.
On a positive note…I'm thrilled that all of us moms are passionate about the decisions we've made or will make about our children's educations. We should be passionate about following the path God has chosen for us.
My boys are also not quite school-aged…we plan to homeschool and will prayerfully ask the Lord each year how He wants us to educate. I agree that we should teach respect for the highest command post we have in our country. Part of our problem today is that we have no respect for what it took to become a nation and we don't understand what a huge deal the freedoms we have are and the responsibility that comes with that freedom.
I don't like Obama. I don't like his beliefs, or really even him as a person and some of the choices he has made make me suspicious of everything he says and does. BUT – as has been mentioned, God has appointed him to this position. I think each parent has to prayerfully decide if their child is ready to hear what he has to say and then confidently move ahead, creating a plan of action and trusting the Lord to give them opportunity to teach and train their children.
Good post today :-)
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I have read most of the above posts. A little background of me: My boys have gone to public school up until this year. WE are now a Christian Homeschool family. That being said, I have experienced both sides of the spectrum.
I personally feel that it IS something that God lays on your heart (to homeschool)–however, I don't believe that when parents say they cannot teach their own children. I am not a certified teacher, but I know my children. And I was given the GIFT of 4 sons. I am their main caregiver, teacher on this Earth–no one ELSE can do better than me.
Little by little this administration is giving all glory to themselves rather than GOD. Yes, I respect the office and government, but the Bible also states that we should OBEY GOD—RATHER THAN MEN. My husband is in the military–so please do not label me as UNPATRIOTIC. I love our country, but its preservation is losing by leaps and bounds.
I cannot admire or respect a MAN who goes against GOD and Biblical teachings…I won't do it. And if my children where in public school, they would not attend school for that day. NOT because I am 'scared' of what he'll say…but a matter of PARENTAL RIGHTS.
And as for Christian children attending school…I pray that your children are STRONG CHRISTIANS….because statistically, by the time they graduate—they are NO LONGER practicing Christians…one of the MANY reasons why we now homeschool. Is not up to other children to witness to other children….its nice, but ultimately its the unsaved children's PARENTS who will stand before God.
If God is not in public schools—then my children are exposed to being ridiculed for believing in Christ, maybe even gets a liberal or atheist teacher (that could very well despise my child because of their beliefs, etc. etc. and grade them in that manner)– then why would I send my son to it??? Exactly…I wouldn't.
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SarahMae are you getting a lot of inspiration for further discussion out of this one? Lots of rabbit trails can be individually explored, in depth. I appreciate the different opinions. Makes one think critically. ;O)
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Sisterlisa – you better believe it!
I think my next post will be something along the lines of "Homeschool parents + Public school parents = love for one another when Jesus is at the center."
:)
In response to Jill's post: I understand about having a well-rounded education. I, too, think that it's important. Sad fact though…is that most parents don't know what being taught at the public schools…Christians families are more keen to react when different topics 'Worldly view' is different from the parents views…and they should act accordingly…but what about the ongoing case about a little girl—-who is strong in her beliefs and yet—THE GOVERNMENT says 'it's too strong' so now she is being FORCED to attend public school. That to me is just CRAZY!! I child brought up to love the LORD…day in and day out…will of course NOT HAVE A WORLDLY VIEW…and she gets reprimanded and force to go where she does not want to go…AS A PARENT—that is scary (as an American). As Christian parents, we are not sheltering our children (in the sense that you mean) –we (I) am sheltering them from views that are NOT BIBLICAL. That's the difference most unsaved people make the mistake of labeling…Christian parents.
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We as parents are the best lines of defense against what the world tries to impose on them. That's whether we home school, private and public school our little ones. The best education, morals, and values comes from parents. And we do this free of charge!! Talk about cheap education. I teach my children at home in addition to their public school because I want whats best for them. They have french, advanced school work, bible study, prayer, praise dance, etc at home. I'm also a PTA member and volunteer at my children's school to ensure they are in good hands. A lot of what goes on at school, I don't agree with, that's why I advocate change with the principal and staff. We also pray as a family for guidance for all teachers to do whats best for all children and our government as well. The president's speech can be a good thing because my kids feel important to our country. This discussion has just opened the conversation about the many problems that I've personally gone through with our school system. A matter that I intend to fight until the end because I do care about their future.
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I am a Christian, a mother, an American and an educator. I am truly shocked by some of the comments above, especially ones that portray President Obama as a brainwasher. I find that sentiment disrespectful to the office of the president, and wish it had been an annual tradition for all presidents to address children's issues and engage in regular dialogue with young people. I wish that it was required for senators and congressmen to consider the children in their states and talk to them.
Debate and conversation are the basis of our society and our government – we are not meant to all agree with the administration in power or we would be a dictatorship! Whether one homeschools or one sends her children to public school, an open and frank dialogue about your core beliefs (political, religious, etc) are integral to raising children.
Children who are informed and engaged in political discussions are more likely to vote and more likely to participate in their communities as citizens (whether via churches, local government, or other vehicles for service).
I believe in God, Country, Family. I believe in Jesus and his call to love and serve others, especially the poor, sick, and destitute. I also believe that the United States was founded on key Christian principles that all men are created equal and that the pursuit of happiness is our birthright.
Among my other prayers, I will pray tonight for love and for understanding that seems to be so regularly absent from our national political discussions right now.
Wow! Lots of strong reaction to the speech.
We do homeschool. This is our 13th year, so we've been at it a while. I actually think it's great that President Obama is going to address the students of our country. I will watch at home with my younger 2. My oldest 2 will be in co-op classes and I would love for them to get to see it there, but it probably won't happen. They'll watch on youtube later.
I think it's good that the President is going to take time out to address the students. I have a child who is of Guatemalan descent. She is starting to get to the age where she notices her skin color is different than mine. I want her to see people of all skin colors and backgrounds succeeding in their fields. I think this is important for a lot of children in our country. President Obama is in a unique position to model that for our children. I do not agree with everything that he stands for. But I have no fear that he has a hidden agenda in this speech. I'm looking forward to watching it. He's an excellent speech maker and I think the kids will find it motivating, as far as their education goes.
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Wow, this discussion is really amazing! My girls are in public school, and my husband & I have talked about this extensively. We have the option to call the school to have our kids "opt out" and go to the library during the speech. We are choosing to show up at school and watch it with them instead. We are anxious to see what the transcript looks like on Monday… Our biggest issue is with the educational materials and discussion questions – particularly, What can my child do for President Barack Obama? That's not encouraging them to value their education. That's not even encouraging them to value their country. That's encouraging them to value the Obama administration.
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"We are choosing to show up at school and watch it with them instead."
Love this idea!
My children are young yet (7, 4, 2, 1) so my experience is lacking. But my opinion on the matter is simply this: I think the issue I [would] have [if my children were in public school] is mostly the age appropriateness of the address and the motives behind it. Obviously we'll know more when we hear/see/read it – if they in fact match with what will be said to the students.
I believe children in the grammar stage (10 and under) and maybe even the dialectic stage (middle school) are too young to understand and handle such matters. Again, it all depends on the depth and motives of his address. Children who are 13 and younger are in some major training stages that will shape their entire lives. Every and all influence should be taken into account because they will believe anything you tell them. Especially the grammar students. This is because they are not physically (brain development) ABLE to think critically. It's not a matter of being taught – it's being capable.
Most children this young are going to view the President as a neat or "cool" figure and for him to personally address them as children will certainly be exciting for them. Because of this, they are more likely to trust him and what he says, simply because they don't know any better. At times even parents can't stop that. Do you know what I mean? We can't control every thought of our child, obviously. But we can limit their exposure at this tender age. Young children are extremely impressionable – for the good and the bad. It is our job as parents – home school and public school ALIKE – to guard their hearts. We must do what we have to do to protect their hearts until they are mature enough to think critically and eat the "meat" of the Word on their own.
The decision is up to each parent how they should handle this, but the bottom line for everyone is simply this:
What are we going to do to guard their heart; to protect the Truth while our young ( roughly 13 and younger mainly) children do not yet know how to guard their own hearts from false teachings because they lack the mental capacity and maturity to do it themselves?
Jesus spent 33 years training for a 3 year ministry. Our children should be in a state of training while in our home – at all times, so they are ready when it's time to leave the nest. It's our job as parents to give our children the wings to fly when the time comes. In the mean time, our young children need our protection and biblical guidance first and foremost. As they mature (beginning to mid-high school – depending on the rate of maturity), they can begin to try out their wings (use critical thinking while being guided by their parents).
Of course, this is my opinion, and I really think this applies to all aspects of raising children…not just this one Presidential address.
(((Hugs to all you mothers!)))
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"Most children this young are going to view the President as a neat or “cool” figure and for him to personally address them as children will certainly be exciting for them. Because of this, they are more likely to trust him and what he says, simply because they don’t know any better. At times even parents can’t stop that."
I'm hearing this quite a bit in this thread and I have to *lovingly* disagree. My three year old sees/hears something we disagree with and we tell her why and she repeats it for the next week (or whenever said issue arises). She may not fully get it, but she does at the same time. Example: my little girl played an Elmo game on the computer. When I saw what the topic was ("mommy has to go to work Elmo, you know that" – while Elmo asks her not to go because he wants her to stay), I told her that she would not be playing that game anymore because even though she really like Elmo, I wanted her to know that her mommy would never leave her to go to work and I didn't want her to worry about that. At first, she kept asking to play it (it is Elmo after all), but I kept reinforcing our stance. Finally, she took it on as her own, and when her brother asked to play the game, she said, "no, we don't play that because…" and she explained. She hasn't asked since (it's been a week). My point is, if we have talks with our children I believe that their little sweet brains will take in what we say more than someone "cool" if we daily grasp their hearts.
"our young children need our protection and biblical guidance first and foremost." YES! :)
Sarah Mae, true, and I am not meaning to say that is an absolute for every situation. But three year olds grow up into more curious 6 and 7 year olds who begin to think for themselves and form their own opinions. They aren't thinking critically in most cases, but they like what feels and sounds good to them. Sometimes it's hard for us as moms to understand, but like us, our children are born sinners and their flesh cries out for more of what feels good and sounds good to them. They battle, just like we do, with sin…maybe moreso because they don't UNDERSTAND things the way we do. All they know is they can't do something they really want to do for reasons x,y,z.
Last year when I was on bed rest with my 2nd daughter (4th child), my children were left in the care of my friends, in my home, with me there. However, even though I was there, I was not able to see everything going on because I was restricted to the couch. This opened up a door of temptation for my then 6-year old daughter. She is a well behaved child most of the time. She WANTS to please her daddy and I and works hard at it. But she was given the opportunity to make a decision – the right or the wrong – being a young child who has yet to learn some self control, she decided on the wrong choice. With the help of another little girl's persuading, she disobeyed my direct orders.
Months down the road, the incident happened to come out of her in a simple conversation. That's how I found out about it. She was in a position to obey or to make her friend happy at that moment.
Our children will and should face these moments, but not too often at this young an age. There should be plenty of training in between to be hopeful that next time they will make the right choice.
The point is, temptation is always there and it's harder to resist when there isn't a thorough amount of training in between. And for a child so young it's difficult when there isn't someone there to encourage them to make the right choice when you're still learning how to fight against the flesh. (Geesh, we adults still struggle!)
My daughter has been talked to about President Obama being President, and not always making the best decisions for our country. This didn't stop her from setting up the alphabet blocks to spell Obama's name and "play President". She doesn't grasp the concept quite yet, and she's a smart gal for her age!
Children very young are repeating and living what they're parents tell them because that's all they know. Once they are given a broader perspective, they begin to think for themselves and begin to detach from, not parental guidance, but taking everything we feed them without asking about it or "challenging it" in some way. You know what I mean?
My 7 year old is influenced by innocent, Christian raised children about her age, with things that have surprised me! Things I didn't think would need to be addressed for several years yet. They are smart enough to pick up bad habits from other children if the habits work on THEIR parents. Yea, than guess who has to deal with that? We do.
It seems like when a bad habit, bad role model or bad action is brought home, we the parents have to battle with nearly convincing our children WHY they are not good. Certain books, movies, music…anything that comes into their path. There are lots of questions as to "why"? It's a battleground out there for our children. They need guidance and protection and as they get older, they will want to know all the "whys" of the boundaries we've laid. The question is, are we prepared with the answers?
((Hugs Sarah Mae!)) I love that we all have different perspectives and can bring different things to the table!
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I think much of the concern is not just the speech, but the curriculum he had made and distributed to accompany the speech for teachers to use in the class room.
I do want to talk about the answer that popped up many times saying "just homeschool" or even "mommy will NEVER go to work".
– let's say, your husband dies, and no large life insurance policie or benevolent relative swoops in to pay all our bills.
– or your husband leaves. Even Christian families have been known for a husband to leave.
– or your husband has an accident or becomes disabled, and cannot work.
– or the financial situation is that no matter how much you have cut back and gone without, or tried hard to make it work, he does not make enough money to pay the rent and food on even the most humble of homes.
Not all people who love God and love their kids have the option to homeschool. It is not always a matter of choice. And to say mommy will never work, is saying you control something that you do not control. Yes, we trust God with our futures and with our children. Yet, many in the situation of having to work, are also trusting God with all their heart.
I was getting ready to homeschool, started getting materials, etc…when my husband left me, with my 2 and 4 year old son.
I have a dear friend whose husband abused her and her son and they had to escape to safety. He is not supporting them.
I have anothed dear family whose husband works hard, at the best job he can find, but it does not cover the rent on their very small, very old home, so she teaches school and together, they both barely make it with their 3 children.
They love God, They love their kids.
I do agree that much is in the public schools that a parent needs to be highly viligent with their children to discuss and prepare them for. I have the blessing of being able to put my children in a Christian school, yet even there, I must cover different walks with God and those who walk closely and make choices based on that relationship and those who walk at a distance.
Just wanted to share my perspective.
Blessings
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Thanks Sandee – I can choose wiser words – I think you're right. Perhaps, "as long as God allows me, I will do everything I can to stay with you babe!" :)
Kelly, I'm curious about this statement, "Among my other prayers, I will pray tonight for love and for understanding that seems to be so regularly absent from our national political discussions right now."
I'm not being critical of what you said, but just have an honest question. If all we ever show is love and understanding without standing up for what we believe in and putting our feet down when we feel it's necessary then we could have a disaster on our hands. And for a govt to not compromise with the right, then we certainly could end up with a dictatorship.
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SarahMae, I recently posted an article similar to that, but for homeschool girls and public school girls. I look forward to your adult version. :O)
Sarah Mae, thank you so much for your perspective on this. My step-dad had some strong words about it today, not all of which I believed. Our school system is allowing an excused absence if parents choose to keep their children home. I homeschool, so Kiddo will be having class no matter what! : )
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